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Random thoughts on the blue highways.
You never know what you will find on the blue highways. Particularly when the choice at an intersection is controlled by the roll of a die. About the only rule is that highway onramps don't count as an intersection. You don't even have to roll the die. If one road looks interesting, go for it.
JCarlin: Humans have objective moral standards based on evolutionary imperatives for the survival of the species: Altruism, compassion, empathy; shunning of cheaters, liars, and sociopaths; are all cross species needs for survival.
El Apologist: No, evolution also produced people like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and they were very successful at survival for a time so how can you condemn them since their source of morality is the same as yours? And all those things are just chemical reactions in your brain, one set of chemical reactions are no better than another set. And all those standards are just based on irrational sentimentality for the human species, there is nothing special about humans so you are being irrational by favoring human survival if atheistic evolution is true. So they are not objective.
JCarlin: jc: Social species have other evolutionary imperatives including respect for vuvuzelas in fancy dresses in over decorated balconies which is where God's dysfunctional moral standards are promulgated as "TRUTH™" including such atrocities as love the bully and abuser because God loves everybody. Of course it helps if the bully or abuser is a male in the image of God and can therefore identify with all the bullying and abuse documented in Scripture most of which is ordered by God and executed by men.
El Apologist: No, God teaches that bullies and abusers should be punished, as it plainly taught in the Mosaic law and even Christ told His disciples to buy a sword for self defense. He also taught to love your enemies, and one way to love them is to mete out justice on them not necessarily you personally but you should report them to the proper authorities as Paul teaches in Romans 13.
Skeptical atheists are believers just like most people. Their conceptual blocks are as impermeable as a fundamentalist Christian or a Republican. The only real difference is their BS do not involve God. They are as capable of sticking their fingers in their ears and singing la, la, la I can't hear you when confronted with evidence of things like esp and other paranormal abilities as any Christian.christine3:It seems most atheists here get a reaction when they read the words paranormal, supernormal, superconscious, supernatural.
May 20, 2015 -- 7:32PM, Blü wrote:JCarlin
See #44
Okay, I've re-read #44.
No evidence of esp confronted me.
What did I miss?
#44 says that you have never and never will encounter evidence for paranormal phenomena. Your brain is incapable of processing evidence you may have encountered in the past or will encounter in the future. It will always concoct an apologetic that certain things cannot happen in reality and if they appear to have happened that must be the result of something else. Delusion, falsehood, or misinterpretation of the data.May 21, 2015 -- 2:46AM, Trollish wrote:Same here. Read #44 and encountered no evidence for paranormal phenomenon.
Religion is the human response to being alive and having to die.
YEC: I would think almost all of the Atheist living in a free society are to one degree or another.It is hard to be a Christian if not a theist. The entire dogma of Christianity is centered around groveling at the feet of God whether it is Jesus, the Trinity, or "Thy God" of Jesus. Atheists do not grovel at anything or anybody. Nice try at the Great Commission, but abject failure.
In a Godless society moral rules are derived from evolutionary necessity and its corollary tribal living necessities expanded to larger societies as required. While there is no absolute law governing morality, humanistic empathy is a firm foundation.YEC: For a Godless society there is no moral rule. Natural evolutionism is the rule. Survival of the fittest. There is no absolute law in which a standard can be erected.
Yep. In the words of Forrest Church one had best live a life worth dying for. It is all anybody has. Theist or atheist.YEC: You are born, live and die and "puff"...it's all over.
YEC: In a free society the Atheist follow the moral teachings of Jesus and I might add, the bible. They know the morals work. They are tried and proven. If Jesus never appeared, if the bible never existed....if our laws didn't reflect those morals, where would we be?Your remarks about Jesus are pretty close to the mark. The rest of the Bible morality is either obsolete or dysfunctional in a modern society.
Sorry. There are many atheist Christians, Jews, Muslims, and members of other theistic religions, that enjoy the traditions, rituals and tribal gatherings associated with the faith, but without the faith in God. Atheists without a religion are not among them. In general we (I include myself among them) have developed our own meaning and purpose for being alive and having to die. But in the words of johnbigboote on the old boards it is a One Person Religion.YEC: You said, "They're Out There, I Just Haven't Found Any Yet"...the truth is, you are one of them.
Mormon wrote:And once again, you cherry-pick in order to try and make a point.
Atheist Now, that is a joke!
Is there another religion whose members cherry-pick the scripture to the extent the LDS do? I very much doubt it.
May 12, 2015 -- 4:35PM, JCarlin wrote:"So that is how God does it!" is essentially not conceptually different from "That is how it works!" I am not sure anyone could find a scientist in any field that could prove that the Higgs is not indeed the God boson.
Response: As Laplace rightly said, the 'God' hypothesis is simply unnecessary.
There is simply no good reason to advance the baroque assumption that there is a God, let alone ask "how" the supposed entity did anything.
At this point I think it would be better referred to as God Design to avoid the Dover crowd, and to leave undefined where God entered the picture.May 12, 2015 -- 2:14AM, Roymond wrote:I wish you could have visited our Intelligent Design club in college. It was all people who had come to religion not by any assumptions, but via science.
Roymond wrote:Good point about the Hebrew. It's worth noting that the same point essentially extends to all language; anything perceived of as personal is going to get either the masculine or feminine, because that's how we conceive of persons. So deities end up with gender tags even though they may not be actually understood as having gender, at least not in any way we humans would understand.
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And that applies whether God is real or not; it's a linguistic/philosophical problem. So in actuality, the case is stronger that patriarchy or matriarchy were imposed on religion by the concepts and worldviews of the socities in question, not the other way around.
Cultural Christian wrote:The author opines that his situation and those of others similarly situated provide an opportunity to create a space for the culturally Christian - and possibly the culturally Jewish - nonbeliever.
So where do these folks fit in to or with atheism? Do you consider them atheists? Is their experience anything like your experiences?
Mormon wrote:It's entirely common for my dad and I to work 12 - 16 hours in a day. ...
We've been awake for days at a time juggling work, family, and other duties. Ever been so sleep-deprived you hallucinated? Been there, done that.
I think people can see how having someone back home helping with the family duties would be quite helpful.
Because the two major patriarchal violent religions who had all the violent proselytizing directives direct from God including the directive that all who believed in the wrong god must be converted or killed. Since neither had any moral standards other than kill the infidels, they thrived for a while, at least in the parts of the world they came to dominate. Matriarchies and other social solutions with moral standards that included respect for other humans were unable to withstand the genocidal onslaught.beliefnetchristine3 wrote:The assinine patriarchal religions killed the matriarchal religions off.Why were they able to do that?
E.O. wrote:
christine3 wrote:... I wouldn't dismiss believers. They have a strong feeling that it is possible a man in first century Jerusalem was doing things that nobody else could, and I don't doubt that at all. .....
Theist wrote:Oh atheists, teach me there is no God and I will be free.
Apr 22, 2015 -- 3:48AM, Kwinters wrote:Thanks! I am hoping to do more to highlight the link between the way religious patriarchy demeans women and the warped echoes of it in today's sexist religious institution and the proponents of religion.
You cannot get through a single day without having an impact on the world around you. What you do makes a difference, and you have to decide what kind of difference you want to make.Apparantly from the afterword to Roots and Shoots.
Apr 20, 2015 -- 7:23AM, theist wrote:Apr 19, 2015 -- 6:14PM, JCarlin wrote:The a-religious simply suggest that disabuse of religion would eliminate most of the wrong answers to life's questions.
Right.
How’d that work for the Bolsheviks, et al.?
They are not falsehoods they are Beliefs. According to Shermer in The Believing Brain even if they listen carefully information contrary to the Belief System is not even processed by the brain. There is a filtering system in the brain popularly called conceptual blocks but scientifically observable that automatically routes contrary information to the trash file of the brain. It is not hilarious; it is an unfortunate function of a believer's brain. That is why it has been a practice on this board for many years to refer to such incorrect beliefs as BS a Belief System which generally contains varying amounts of the bucolic BS. Hat tip to AciraZade for this concept. Note the color of the page. |
Yea but no one is killing bodies . . . right?
Um, all of this is just speculative nonsense. You are not an academic JC, and until you do some actual research that is all this is.
Just compare what you make up out of nothing to what actual scholars do. Your opinion is of no use here.
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I suggest old atheists here check out social media and other new forms of communication for the younger generation of atheists. They get off their ass and do stuff.
If time is an illusion then how can you age?I can remember an incident over 50 years ago that had a profound effect on many aspects of my life as if it were happening now. I can replay it in my mind as if it were a video. Is the replay happening now, or 50 years ago? Since the major protagonist is now deceased, what is her status in the memory? The store which was the setting is now a library, what is the status of the main foyer containing the roped off piano? There are others. One when I was in fact 7 that I can be and have been many times in that moment.
If only the moment exists, why can't you put yourself in any part of the moment at will, so that you can be in the part of the moment when you're 7, and when you're 77, just as you wish?
JCarlinYet you were asking about a personal now, not an abstract now. In my personal now the alive, vibrant, virtuoso is in that foyer at the piano any time I choose to recall the incident. It is not happening in the past although in another sense it is clear that the eclectic time frame is the '50s.
I can remember an incident over 50 years ago that had a profound effect on many aspects of my life as if it were happening now.It's called memory. Surely to cripes it demonstrates, rather than debunks, the notion that time exists?
I can replay it in my mind as if it were a video.Except that the video will be more accurate, and remain a record even when all the participants in the scene have died.
Is the replay happening now, or 50 years ago?The replay is happening at the time you recall the memory / rewatch the video.
Since the major protagonist is now deceased, what is her status in the memory?She's dead. She's remembered. Photos (and videos?) of her continue to exist, showing her at different times / ages of her life. Same with the piano and the foyer.
JCarlinI have no argument with the idea that there is a world external to the self. Indeed much of what I do is aimed at affecting that world. Its past is a useful resource and affects much of what I do. There is a future as well, that those that follow me (and those that don't) will deal with.
Yet if now, the memory tracks in my brain aka the world began on the day that I was born, now is all that is there.
Subjectively that has to be true, but it's only one way of looking at it. One of my assumptions is that a world exists external to the self, and the external world has a past, some of which I can recall and some of which I've learnt about; and as we presently understand it, it will have a future of hundreds of billions of years, unless and until at some stage after the decay of the last proton the Big Rip robs it of identity.
Skeptic wrote:I think that the difference between nature and supernature is similar to the difference between
Normal and Paranormal
Physics and Metaphysics
Medicine and Alternative Medicine
Astronomy and Astrology
History and Mythology
Philosophy and Religion
Science and Pseudo-Science
Knowing and Believing
christine3 wrote:'God' is a manmade invention. I'm not sorry that I think that. So much of what is in the Bible supposedly coming from 'God' (stories and instructions on how to treat people) is obviously man's thoughts treated as their imaginary invention - 'God's'. That's how people high up on the hierarchical ladder control us.