Monday, January 4, 2010

Compassion and atrocity

Nick A:
We create programming. It explains why we can be simultaneously capable of compassion and atrocity.

J'C: Humans as social animals are incapable of atrocity without some higher level programming to cause them to counter their social imperative to respect other humans. Normally this higher programming comes from God, but insanity, nation, or even a charismatic leader can program people to go against their social values and commit atrocities.

2 comments:

Nick_A said...

J'C

This sounds good but in reality man's being is such that atrocities are just as natural as compassion. As it states in Ecclesiastes 3, there is a time for everything including war and peace

Organic life on earth, including man, reacts to external influences that create cycles. There is no consciousness in this. Everything is just a reaction to universal laws.

Jesus even tried to explain to those around him that the only way to escape the results of mechanical life is through re-birth into conscious life. Yet even now people think of a personal god that strikes people down. As mechanical creatures of reaction towers just hit you on the head. "Repent" here means an inner change of direction from being fixated with the shadows on the wall to the source of our inner life.

Luke 13 KJV

Repent or Perish
1 There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”
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Humanity as a whole on earth has three sides to it: intellectual, emotional, and physical. Taken together humanity is the "Great Beast" since like a beast it responds through conditioning to external influences. The world is such that the Great Beast is driven to turn in circles in response to these influences creating what we know of as the cycles described in Ecclesiastes

The only thing that can minimize these results are conscious influences which require more from us to receive than the blind reactive consciousness normal for animal life. Life in the world rejects these influences so the cycles just mechanically continue regardless of the most wonderful speeches. Since we are as we are, everything is as it is.

J'Carlin said...

The bible is not much of an authority for a modern understanding of what people are and are capable of. As noted it takes God to create a time of war.

People not chained to Gods are not chained to the God cycles. I do not buy into your depraved view of humans as mechanical reaction machines. Humans were clever enough to create Gods to get them past the gaps in their historic understanding, but as they gain greater control over their minds God is no longer necessary and does not drive the conditioning for all.